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this is somewhere in the skies inspired

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we've reached the end of another year at

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the end of a decade as hard as it might

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be to believe you'll soon be reading the

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year 2020 on your calendar that's crazy

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so since we're closing out a decade

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today we're going to run down some of

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the top UFO related stories from this

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past decade now this type of show is

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always a bit of a challenge for us to

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put together because so much happens

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during the span of a year let alone a

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decade so narrowing it down to the top

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10 stories is difficult to say the least

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but we've managed to do that for you

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today so let's get to it

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Ryan why don't you get us started off

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yeah absolutely so the first one we're

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going to cover here is back in 2001 and

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this is the Gary McKinnon case I'm sure

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that name

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definitely rings a bell with a lot of

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people out there but for anyone who

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doesn't know who this guy is he was in

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IT expert in England who in 2001 and

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2002 he spent a lot of his free time

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hacking and breaching security defences

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of NASA and other US military networks

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and he said that he found a document

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entitled quote unquote non-terrestrial

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officers which was pretty intriguing if

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he asked me it was sort of like this

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excel sheet that he recalls had the

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ranks and names of unknown individuals

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on it so when he tried to search for the

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names of the ships he was unable to find

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any any mention of these people publicly

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that is and it made him believe that it

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was some sort of secret space program so

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he started talking about this stuff

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meanwhile his hacking would eventually

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be discovered and he was arrested in

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late 2002 in England and he was said to

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have caused over hundreds of thousands

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of dollars in security breaches and

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damage and following his arrest he was

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also subject to a lengthy extradition

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battle the u.s. wanted to punish him for

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the cyber crimes on us computers and

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intelligence agencies and such so he

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easily could have spent on

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seventy years in jail for this but in

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2012 the newly appointed Prime Minister

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Theresa May she did not grant the

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extradition because of MacKinnon's

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history with depression and he was also

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suffering from Asperger's syndrome and

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it would be extremely detrimental to his

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health and it would make him highly

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suicidal and it would go against his

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human rights so she decided not to do

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but since then MacKinnon had to pay very

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high legal fees and he is never allowed

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in the u.s. ever again

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MacKinnon briefly after all this

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happened to see what we he was up to and

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now he is doing the IT thing again he's

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working for his own company basically

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doing what he used to do hacking he's

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now working with cybersecurity so it's

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kind of like one of these cases where

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the the government will hire ex-cons to

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help them it's pretty pretty cool I

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guess but every now and again he talks

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about this stuff and what he found on

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those u.s. computers and to this day we

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still will never know what

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non-terrestrial officers actually means

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well and this was such a long drawn-out

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saga the gary mckinnon saga like you

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raging on in this past decade in

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2010-2011 the the headlines were

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non-stop I mean it seemed like almost

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every week we were hearing a new new

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development in the Gary McKinnon case

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and his mother was was his really

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leading the charge his biggest advocate

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extradition so that that whole battle

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you know the US trying to get him

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extradited and hearing all the the

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health issues the testimony and then

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Teresa may finally saying nope not gonna

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happen like that was just generating

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tons and tons and tons of mainstream

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headlines mainstream headlines so is it

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was kind of fun to follow along yeah it

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was so cool again to see like a

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mainstream story going on between

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countries all because a guy

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to hack into computers to find out

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on UFOs I think it's so cool I love it I

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love it yeah and think two of the the

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timing of it this was pre Snowden and

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pre WikiLeaks you know and how it was

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handled you know wasn't in that context

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it'd be kind of interesting you see how

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it all be treated now you know if it if

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it were to have occurred now after all

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of that maybe I mean the the the US was

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they were rabid man they wanted him it

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wanted him bad and and you know I I

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don't know if the if they would go after

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him as hard today as they did back then

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but it is really fascinating the the

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fact that it was a UFO story I mean

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that's amazing yeah and there there was

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you know some speculation because a

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bunch of documents were released FOIA

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requests and nobody has exactly found

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the right documents to sort of verify

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all his claims which makes you wonder

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you know where are they and people are

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still actively trying to research this

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and I think we'll see this stretch into

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2020 and beyond yeah and that's a good

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point and that's cool Shane that's a big

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big difference yeah with WikiLeaks and

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stuff I mean if we if we had what he

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discovered that would be amazing right

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these giants for lists of people going

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into the USS Hill and caught her and the

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USS LeMay like you know that's really

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huge stuff but again we don't have any

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of that because he didn't save any of

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that and he also says he was high when

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he was doing this so his memory is a

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little fuzzy too and there's a lot of

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stuff but it's incredible claims it

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would be great if we had you know some

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weak WikiLeaks like files that we could

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look at but there's nothing yep I mean

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it is fascinating and it is plausible

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you know that he saw what he says he saw

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but without any evidence it is just that

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frustrating thing with ufology man you

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just you can't get your hands around any

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friggin proof you know is so frustrating

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but you know I think it's plausible and

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I think you know maybe he saw stuff

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maybe he didn't I know I don't know but

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it is pretty curious how how hard the

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government went after him

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yeah and that that certainly fuels the

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fire right and gets beers he's going you

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know well why would they go so hard

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after him if he didn't actually find

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what he says he found why would they

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care but again he did hack into military

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computers and caused all sorts of damage

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they're not yeah yeah oh that's okay you

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forget it water under the bridge he must

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also be on a lot of legal hooks to where

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you noticed like he has not spoken about

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the case and or you know gone done the

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TV circuit or anything like that or

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he has a little bit of UFO circuit but

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not significantly right I mean they've

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they've certainly had him it like

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contact in the desert and stuff like

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they there are these conferences where

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they wait a minute they have him how did

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he get the u.s. to go to contact in the

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desert no he did was he certainly done

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that not to the the sort of you can tell

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he's really trying to push the envelope

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and take advantage of the UFO phenomena

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circuit kind of thing a good point yeah

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it's a really good point all right let's

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move on to the next one on our list

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you guys might not agree with me on this

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one but I'm including Frank Kindler as

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one of the biggest stories of the decade

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and here's why because so Frank made

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headlines multiple times during the

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decade and if you are familiar with him

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Frank is a geologist and an instructor

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at the New Mexico Military Institute in

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back in 2010 he began making trips out

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to a remote area of the desert that is

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thought to be near where UFO supposedly

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crashed back in 1947 and being a

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scientist Frank wanted to find physical

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evidence so he used a metal detector and

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he found what he was looking for he

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managed to find several small pieces of

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material he submitted material for

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analysis and in one of the first tests

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he had done his response to the results

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was quote either Earl the lab made an

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analytical error or the material is not

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from Earth unquote he was excited by the

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isotopic analysis and he continued

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initial testing done throughout the

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in 2018 there was the whole drama with

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the Bureau of Land Management when they

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called Frank in for a meeting and there

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was the threat of his material being

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confiscated

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fortunately Frank still has his Roswell

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material but that incident generated

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some buzz and I mean there were so many

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mainstream headlines about that and

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about Frank's previous work and the the

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test results and the claims made about

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this strange Roswell material so that

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really really breached mainstream press

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around the world generate a lot of

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headlines throughout the decade and then

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at the beginning of 2019 Ryan got to get

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involved with this material right Ryan

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yeah I got my hands all over this one

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yeah yeah no I love Frank to death and I

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think it's incredible the dedication he

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has to trying to find the truth behind

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Roswell I mean I've spoken about this in

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the past it's amazing the way he was

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able to locate the area first and

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foremost in there I also got his

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materials tested came up with vastly

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different results from his first test

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but that's what science is like you got

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it you got to get this stuff reviewed

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over and over and over again and I think

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it's fascinating

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whatever French found out there is

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definitely extraordinary I can that's

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all I can really say it might not be

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extraterrestrial but what we found out

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was that whatever that metal was it

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should not have been in that desert in

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1947 I can tell you that much

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hopefully more info on that in 2020 but

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were we're monitoring Frank and it's

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like social networks and even a bunch of

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our names came up in those files because

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ever talking to Frank about it so a

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little freaky but uh I guess that's um

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that's points for us yeah but you know I

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think that this case is really awesome

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because what it does is it illustrates

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the importance of having true scientific

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investigation and that it actually

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yields stuff so right yeah he was able

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to find those metallic fragments because

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he

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Annelle is well illustrated on your show

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while you know on mysteries decoded and

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and so I thought a that was very

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intriguing and then you know he's got

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the samples he's handled them properly

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and then you know there's something

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there physical evidence I mean how scant

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is physical evidence right and so he's

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got that in you know it has been

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analyzed and there's more they're

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available to continue the analysis so I

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mean to me it just his case really

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illustrates the value of true science

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and getting the right people involved in

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this thing and it will yield you know

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tangible results I think another good

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point to feed off of that Shane is that

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you know what's happening here is

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everyone says oh Roswell is such an old

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case but when you look at all these old

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cases that have never really been solved

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they're still considered by most to be

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unsolved that there's still sometimes

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magic and if we you know put the effort

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in in the science in like you said that

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we might be able to find clues that help

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shed light on these items that are still

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anomalous and yeah it you may think oh

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it's you know that happened in 1947

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nothing will be out there but you'd be

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surprised how stuff moves around you

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know shifts down because of changing

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landscape and water and everything else

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and and how you can still manage to

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potentially find clues or pieces of

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puzzle

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yeah we love Frank and again like you

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said Shane it's such a great point that

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in the UFO world in the UFO field

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tangible physical evidence is scarce so

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when you have a case that has that it's

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incredibly exciting and there's still

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stuff going on with this case so yeah I

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money that I just somehow did not get

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yeah alright so let's move on to the

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next one on the list

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Shane you got the next one this is the

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I'm gonna read a little bit on this

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thing this is the UFO incident that

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began about 9:20 p.m. on the evening of

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April 25th 2013 at the Raphael Hernandez

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Airport in Aguadilla Puerto Rico so many

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of you may have met remember the video

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from this but what it did is it included

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the crew of a DHC 8 turboprop turboprop

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aircraft from the US Customs and Border

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Protection Agency which is a division of

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the department of homeland security and

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basically what happened is this flight

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recorded a thermal imaging camera on a

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DEA chair craft recorded an object that

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exhibit characteristics that cannot be

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explained by known aircraft for natural

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phenomena and so this thing it moves

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through buildings and through trees and

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eventually over the ocean and then the

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object appears to go in and out of the

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ocean without slowing down and at the

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end of the video at sea they're joined

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by another object before it breaks and -

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and this case was analyzed thoroughly by

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the scientific Coalition for ufology and

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they kind of came up with this statement

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here I thought was great that kind of

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capital AIT's the whole thing that says

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there is no explanation for an object

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capable of traveling underwater at over

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90 miles per hour with minimal impact as

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it enters the water through the air at

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120 miles per hour at low altitude

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through a residential area without

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navigation lights and finally to be able

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of splitting into two separate objects

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no bird no balloon no aircraft and no

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known drones have that capability and

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I'll just mention if you want to read

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the report if anyone does out there and

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it's like 161 page report and it's on

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the website Explorer s Cu dot or again

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you click get the whole report yourself

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yeah that group certainly did the most

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robust look into that case

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and that case at the time made

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substantial headlines because you know

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for obvious reasons as we know very well

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the public and the media love UFO videos

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and certainly love UFO videos when

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they're coming from a military source

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and that's what we had in this case

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so that was a great example of a

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military UFO video being circulated

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media ran wild with it and people ate it

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up

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I remember getting that link to the

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probably Morgan Beall or someone sent us

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the link to there were 61 page document

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and I thought yes yes I worked on it but

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it's very tight yeah and it's good and

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and that's that's a positive thing too

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though

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yeah I don't know if it's the same for

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you guys but sometimes when I i know

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these videos are coming from like the

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government or the military i almost get

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a little scared to watch it because i i

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we can usually figure out within moments

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like oh well it was this or it wasn't

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this i'm afraid to look at videos like

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this because I really think sometimes my

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paradigm is gonna get shifted in this

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video really was one of those ones early

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on before all the tic tacs and all that

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crap that this one was like oh my god

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this could blow the lid wide open but

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you know just like a story it kind of

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fades into obscurity within weeks in

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today's world so yeah yeah that's really

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good right because because we're just

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look at how big of a mess like you said

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and then it kind of drifted off into

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obscurity and and is that going to

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happen with the tic-tac UFOs or is there

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now been such a big deal about it that

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it'll remain you know stay the test of

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time I think it's human nature and we

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see it with every story that comes along

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00:18:53,299 --> 00:18:50,580
you know whether it's UFOs or something

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in pop culture or anything else you know

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00:18:57,919 --> 00:18:55,740
something's gigantic earth-shattering

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news and it must get your attention

424
00:19:01,909 --> 00:18:59,580
right now and everybody's talking about

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it and a couple weeks later it's gone so

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but you know if you're careful and you

427
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think about it so many of these things

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are are connected through history right

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even like you know we talked about

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Frank and you know I have 147 but here

431
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we are in 2019 almost 2020 and they're

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still evidence yielded or like with this

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00:19:22,820 --> 00:19:20,549
case the fact that that that object

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entered both the air and then the water

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00:19:28,639 --> 00:19:26,039
to me that that relates directly to what

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00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:28,649
you know happen with the nimitz case and

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00:19:33,499 --> 00:19:31,130
the tic-tac you know the eight tips

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00:19:36,379 --> 00:19:33,509
conclusion that look this these things

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are trans medium this is one of like the

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00:19:42,409 --> 00:19:38,700
five important aspects of identifying a

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00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:42,419
true UFO right as as outlined by a tip

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and that one is a dab transmedia

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incapability southern client space air

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and water now in the Agri dia case

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obviously it was just observed that it

446
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entered both air and water but still

447
00:19:58,100 --> 00:19:56,340
that's remarkable because even at 95

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miles now I think is what they clocked

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00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:00,870
it at underwater I mean there are very

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00:20:06,259 --> 00:20:03,570
few man-made objects that can do that

451
00:20:07,789 --> 00:20:06,269
right now and and then let alone go in

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00:20:10,789 --> 00:20:07,799
the water and fly right there's no

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00:20:12,169 --> 00:20:10,799
man-made objects that do that so you

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00:20:14,539 --> 00:20:12,179
know it's pretty fascinating so this

455
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stuff I think in time you know when you

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look at the aqua dia case from 2013 in

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the context of the information we're

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learning now in 2019 or 17 18 and 19

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00:20:27,710 --> 00:20:25,169
they're kind of all related and and so

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if you look at ufology and in these

461
00:20:32,570 --> 00:20:31,110
cases from that 30,000 foot view and you

462
00:20:35,090 --> 00:20:32,580
know you can see that this stuff is

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connected and I think that that will

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help move us forward too because we

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learn that stuff and then we build on it

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and we add to it yeah there's five

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observables are really a new driving

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force for me when I'm looking at this I

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think it's an incredible way to to

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record the data of these things like how

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they maneuver we spend so much time

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talking about date in weather and this

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00:20:59,749 --> 00:20:57,929
and that for a UFO case but let's really

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00:21:02,539 --> 00:20:59,759
look at the patterns of how these things

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are working I think you're right Shane I

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think something can be gleaned for that

477
00:21:10,220 --> 00:21:07,529
for sure and this video proved that yeah

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even from like a perspective as a MUFON

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investigator now you know I look at you

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00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:15,840
know how can you how can you define what

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00:21:20,930 --> 00:21:18,690
a UFO is right I mean we all kind of you

482
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:20,940
know we we think we know but you know

483
00:21:26,750 --> 00:21:23,730
this is a scientific and analysis and

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a demarcation of you know if this object

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observes these characteristics or

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exhibits them then this is not

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conventional I mean that that is awesome

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and that that's only something that very

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00:21:42,529 --> 00:21:39,600
recently has come to the fore that we

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00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:42,539
can define you know what a UFO is by

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bias performance characteristics and

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00:21:49,639 --> 00:21:47,039
those other things so you know I think

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00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:49,649
that's absolutely huge and in spite of

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00:21:53,180 --> 00:21:50,970
the fact that we've been at this for

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seventy years we are continuing to make

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progress the more we bring science and

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00:22:00,889 --> 00:21:58,649
technology and into the hunt you know we

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00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:00,899
are making we're at least you know

499
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:02,850
checking items off the list that it is

500
00:22:07,220 --> 00:22:05,610
not this it is not that right sooner or

501
00:22:10,639 --> 00:22:07,230
later we're gonna get down to them a

502
00:22:13,639 --> 00:22:10,649
much more narrow window we can say this

503
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is an you know a true unknown well said

504
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:15,570
alright let's move to the next one on

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the list and that would be the CIA

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declassifying area 51

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00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:24,269
so area 51 has been in pop culture for a

508
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few decades now but up until 2013 the

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00:22:33,169 --> 00:22:29,250
government denied the top secret base

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even existed in August of 2013 the

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National Security Archive at George

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00:22:39,379 --> 00:22:37,470
Washington University posted a CIA

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document obtained through a Freedom of

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Information Act in which the name area

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00:22:51,230 --> 00:22:47,159
51 was not redacted and although the

516
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:51,240
document wasn't the first to name to or

517
00:22:56,930 --> 00:22:54,090
to refer to area 51 by its name it

518
00:22:59,629 --> 00:22:56,940
essentially served as a sort of official

519
00:23:01,970 --> 00:22:59,639
outing or declassification of area 51

520
00:23:04,580 --> 00:23:01,980
and this story generated headlines

521
00:23:06,620 --> 00:23:04,590
around the world with the essential

522
00:23:10,970 --> 00:23:06,630
message that the CIA finally

523
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:10,980
Declassified area 51 so this was huge at

524
00:23:17,930 --> 00:23:14,250
the time and the headlines this thing

525
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:17,940
generated were crazy and again up to

526
00:23:25,129 --> 00:23:20,880
this point there were still most people

527
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:25,139
in the general public viewed area 51 is

528
00:23:29,779 --> 00:23:26,850
something that just crazy conspiracy

529
00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:29,789
theorists talked about or they didn't

530
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:30,960
think it was a real thing because the

531
00:23:34,549 --> 00:23:32,159
government said it wasn't a real thing

532
00:23:36,360 --> 00:23:34,559
absolutely and this was also in

533
00:23:37,770 --> 00:23:36,370
important it sounded

534
00:23:40,799 --> 00:23:37,780
so lame to us because we were like oh we

535
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:40,809
already know but that's our circle but

536
00:23:47,130 --> 00:23:43,510
this was really important because it was

537
00:23:49,490 --> 00:23:47,140
a stepping kind of proving that at least

538
00:23:52,650 --> 00:23:49,500
Bob Lazar knew that piece of information

539
00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:52,660
before it was released to the public as

540
00:23:56,610 --> 00:23:54,520
well and it was kind of sort of

541
00:23:59,040 --> 00:23:56,620
confirming a few things that were said

542
00:24:00,810 --> 00:23:59,050
in those initial interviews so not only

543
00:24:03,660 --> 00:24:00,820
was the government saying yes this was

544
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:03,670
the nickname it had a lot of implication

545
00:24:10,140 --> 00:24:05,530
behind it and that sort of set the

546
00:24:14,190 --> 00:24:10,150
ground for I'd say interested parties to

547
00:24:17,450 --> 00:24:14,200
start running saying well there's a lot

548
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:17,460
more merit to this particular

549
00:24:22,380 --> 00:24:20,170
investigation of this secret base now

550
00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:22,390
yeah and this story brought out Bob

551
00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:25,390
Lazar - right remember in the stories he

552
00:24:29,970 --> 00:24:27,760
would comment on it you know their

553
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:29,980
mainstream media outlets would get

554
00:24:33,150 --> 00:24:31,809
quotes from him and I remember at open

555
00:24:35,460 --> 00:24:33,160
minds we'd wrote a story about it it was

556
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:35,470
something like Bob Bob Lazar is not

557
00:24:40,169 --> 00:24:37,809
impressed with the classification of

558
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:40,179
area 51 he's all yeah so what else is

559
00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:42,610
new like oh that's what I've been

560
00:24:48,290 --> 00:24:45,550
telling you I remember back you know I

561
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:48,300
think it was 95 yeah that's when they

562
00:24:53,490 --> 00:24:51,010
like there's a lawsuits against the base

563
00:24:55,650 --> 00:24:53,500
were made by like former employees

564
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:55,660
because of their like the toxic fumes

565
00:25:00,570 --> 00:24:58,090
and everything that they had a lot of

566
00:25:02,100 --> 00:25:00,580
people were dying out there so like the

567
00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:02,110
government had to acknowledge that when

568
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:04,360
the lawsuit came about and I remember

569
00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:06,610
hearing like specifically an Air Force

570
00:25:11,490 --> 00:25:09,040
attorney saying your honor there is no

571
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,500
name there is no name for the operating

572
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:13,840
location near Groom Lake and that always

573
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:15,850
gave me chills back and I heard about

574
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:18,370
yeah but the fact that like through like

575
00:25:22,140 --> 00:25:20,170
Freedom of Information requests in

576
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:22,150
lawsuits that's how we finally got the

577
00:25:27,210 --> 00:25:24,970
CIA to acknowledge it being area 51

578
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,220
so I remember my phone blowing up that

579
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:28,480
day I don't know yeah it was the same

580
00:25:33,150 --> 00:25:30,610
for you guys almost as much as you know

581
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:33,160
the current stuff going on so that I

582
00:25:36,419 --> 00:25:33,850
loved it

583
00:25:38,850 --> 00:25:36,429
I I thought it was awesome I think

584
00:25:41,490 --> 00:25:38,860
that's with anything like this as soon

585
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:41,500
as it starts making headlines yeah my

586
00:25:47,220 --> 00:25:45,610
phone my email blew up friends who you

587
00:25:49,180 --> 00:25:47,230
know aren't paying attention to this

588
00:25:51,159 --> 00:25:49,190
stuff but they thought for the

589
00:25:53,710 --> 00:25:51,169
it meant so much more than it did to me

590
00:25:55,719 --> 00:25:53,720
because they were like what is this

591
00:25:57,940 --> 00:25:55,729
there actually is a base there what's

592
00:25:59,289 --> 00:25:57,950
happening you have all the answers don't

593
00:26:02,349 --> 00:25:59,299
you tell me what it is

594
00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:02,359
what it is a slight vinification right

595
00:26:08,589 --> 00:26:06,049
if not for Bob but for even ufology I

596
00:26:12,249 --> 00:26:08,599
mean you know we have all been throwing

597
00:26:14,889 --> 00:26:12,259
area51 around for a lot of decades but

598
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:14,899
you know for official confirmation does

599
00:26:20,109 --> 00:26:17,690
kind of feel good in that way right yeah

600
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:20,119
it gets it in the the public public's

601
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:22,129
public's mind and then all of a sudden

602
00:26:27,909 --> 00:26:25,129
it becomes real yeah yeah it's also one

603
00:26:31,719 --> 00:26:27,919
of the best first-person shooter arcade

604
00:26:34,690 --> 00:26:31,729
games out there I'm just saying yeah yes

605
00:26:37,389 --> 00:26:34,700
do you prefer area 51 or the follow-up

606
00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:37,399
s4 I did not know they made it as far

607
00:26:40,419 --> 00:26:39,049
that's yeah they have a second one I

608
00:26:43,089 --> 00:26:40,429
think it's called I think it's called s4

609
00:26:46,180 --> 00:26:43,099
or site for yeah yeah they do have an

610
00:26:48,549 --> 00:26:46,190
area 51 to basically that is so weird I

611
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:48,559
love it I love it and there's someone

612
00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:51,529
also that Nick Pope's part of right the

613
00:26:55,509 --> 00:26:54,049
more recently video game on there yeah

614
00:26:58,659 --> 00:26:55,519
I've got yeah I have to look that up

615
00:27:00,969 --> 00:26:58,669
okay I did not know Nick Pope was doing

616
00:27:04,239 --> 00:27:00,979
some sort of video game action no some

617
00:27:05,889 --> 00:27:04,249
either was he consulting on it or did he

618
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:05,899
actually I think I think he consulted on

619
00:27:10,239 --> 00:27:07,970
it yeah yeah oh that's funny that is

620
00:27:14,289 --> 00:27:10,249
awesome what won't that guy do let's be

621
00:27:17,049 --> 00:27:14,299
honest I mean that in the all right

622
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:17,059
let's move on to the next one so what

623
00:27:21,549 --> 00:27:18,320
have you got for the next item on our

624
00:27:24,820 --> 00:27:21,559
list Shane oh this is the Citizen

625
00:27:26,830 --> 00:27:24,830
hearing on disclosure so when we think

626
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:26,840
about it the last congressional hearing

627
00:27:31,989 --> 00:27:29,690
dealing with the extra-terrestrial issue

628
00:27:34,989 --> 00:27:31,999
was before the house science and

629
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,999
Aeronautics Committee in July of 1968 so

630
00:27:38,859 --> 00:27:36,559
I was you know obviously over fifty

631
00:27:41,589 --> 00:27:38,869
years ago the Citizen hearing on

632
00:27:46,719 --> 00:27:41,599
disclosure was a mock congressional

633
00:27:49,539 --> 00:27:46,729
hearing held in April and May of 2013 to

634
00:27:52,989 --> 00:27:49,549
do what they say the Congress has failed

635
00:27:54,879 --> 00:27:52,999
to do since 1968 and that is seek out

636
00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:54,889
the facts surrounding the most important

637
00:27:59,820 --> 00:27:57,529
issue of this or any other time and that

638
00:28:02,409 --> 00:27:59,830
is evidence pointing toward an

639
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:02,419
extraterrestrial presence in gay

640
00:28:08,739 --> 00:28:05,230
the human race so what they did this is

641
00:28:11,769 --> 00:28:08,749
the work of Steven Bassett the paradigm

642
00:28:15,159 --> 00:28:11,779
research group and they assembled this

643
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:15,169
this hearing 42 persons including

644
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:17,210
researchers and military and political

645
00:28:22,379 --> 00:28:20,210
witnesses of Rankin station they came to

646
00:28:25,629 --> 00:28:22,389
the National Press Club in Washington DC

647
00:28:27,909 --> 00:28:25,639
to testify before six former members of

648
00:28:29,710 --> 00:28:27,919
the United States Congress so they had

649
00:28:31,769 --> 00:28:29,720
this main ballroom set up in the

650
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,779
National Press Club was configured

651
00:28:36,879 --> 00:28:33,919
configured to look like a Senate hearing

652
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,889
room there were press areas audience

653
00:28:41,549 --> 00:28:38,720
areas witnesses tables

654
00:28:45,729 --> 00:28:41,559
committee tables or you know

655
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:45,739
professional protocols for congressional

656
00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:47,210
hearings that they followed as closely

657
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:51,049
as possible the the committee members

658
00:28:54,999 --> 00:28:52,970
these former congressmen and

659
00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:55,009
congresswomen received written

660
00:28:58,779 --> 00:28:56,809
statements from the witnesses and they

661
00:29:00,489 --> 00:28:58,789
heard oral statements and they were

662
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,499
allowed to ask questions just in a

663
00:29:07,330 --> 00:29:03,440
typical hearing it was like thirty five

664
00:29:10,479 --> 00:29:07,340
hours of testimony over five days and

665
00:29:14,619 --> 00:29:10,489
then the entire thing was filmed and

666
00:29:17,369 --> 00:29:14,629
that video is available to everyone on

667
00:29:20,340 --> 00:29:17,379
the paradigm research group dot-org

668
00:29:23,229 --> 00:29:20,350
website and it it is pretty fascinating

669
00:29:25,930 --> 00:29:23,239
it's really historical and it captures a

670
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:25,940
lot of testimony from people that you

671
00:29:30,369 --> 00:29:28,369
know eventually probably in our lifetime

672
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:30,379
they'll be gone and so that this is a

673
00:29:35,349 --> 00:29:32,570
you know a historical record of that

674
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:35,359
actually we sent one of our colleagues

675
00:29:41,619 --> 00:29:38,690
at the time Antonio who næss was present

676
00:29:44,649 --> 00:29:41,629
at the Citizen hearings and Kenny gave

677
00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:44,659
us a behind-the-scenes look at what was

678
00:29:48,669 --> 00:29:46,580
happening and I think that yeah the

679
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:48,679
importance of this it's a faux hearing

680
00:29:55,330 --> 00:29:52,129
the former senators and congressmen were

681
00:29:58,210 --> 00:29:55,340
paid to be there or at least were

682
00:30:00,609 --> 00:29:58,220
offered money to be there not sure they

683
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:00,619
actually got their payout or not but you

684
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:02,330
know this is one of those things where

685
00:30:08,019 --> 00:30:05,210
it was trying to set up a professional

686
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:08,029
environment for lawmakers to seriously

687
00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:11,330
look at the fact that there is credible

688
00:30:19,930 --> 00:30:16,460
people detailing very strange phenomena

689
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:19,940
and so I think that the effort well it's

690
00:30:25,090 --> 00:30:22,130
kind of you know oh it's a faux hearing

691
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:25,100
you know why do we care well we care

692
00:30:31,450 --> 00:30:27,710
because we're trying to get people to

693
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:31,460
take this phenomena seriously so you

694
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:33,290
have my two cents on it and look at like

695
00:30:39,910 --> 00:30:35,690
it kind of paved the way in some weird

696
00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:39,920
you know bastardized way that now actual

697
00:30:45,250 --> 00:30:42,200
senators in office are being briefed on

698
00:30:48,340 --> 00:30:45,260
UFOs so I mean for as much as people may

699
00:30:51,550 --> 00:30:48,350
mock it because it was a mock hearing I

700
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,560
guess I thought like Shane said we now

701
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:53,600
have these things on record from some of

702
00:30:58,600 --> 00:30:56,330
the most prominent witnesses out there I

703
00:31:00,820 --> 00:30:58,610
mean you know you look at the Rendlesham

704
00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:00,830
guys Jim Penniston and John Burroughs

705
00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:03,950
that was the most amazing testimony I've

706
00:31:08,290 --> 00:31:06,260
heard from them at those hearings and

707
00:31:11,860 --> 00:31:08,300
that's one of the most pivotal cases we

708
00:31:13,390 --> 00:31:11,870
had to rely on in ufology so I think

709
00:31:15,610 --> 00:31:13,400
that was really cool to see some of

710
00:31:18,250 --> 00:31:15,620
these people all in one room doing this

711
00:31:20,890 --> 00:31:18,260
and then to hear the reactions from the

712
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:20,900
former congressmen and women yes they

713
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:23,360
may have been paid you know to to maybe

714
00:31:28,090 --> 00:31:25,730
seem interested but I do think all of

715
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,100
them were genuinely interested in what

716
00:31:32,020 --> 00:31:30,080
they were hearing and in fact I know

717
00:31:34,300 --> 00:31:32,030
some of them went on to then try to

718
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:34,310
rally the troops and get actual

719
00:31:38,380 --> 00:31:36,440
congressmen to look at this so yeah I

720
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,390
thought it was a valiant effort for sure

721
00:31:43,930 --> 00:31:40,880
I did seem like I'm genuinely interested

722
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:43,940
and you know you mentioned that and

723
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:45,890
being paid and unfortunately there was

724
00:31:51,670 --> 00:31:48,890
plenty of of mainstream press coverage

725
00:31:54,190 --> 00:31:51,680
that focused on that act about how the

726
00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:54,200
dollar amount that they were paid to sit

727
00:31:58,810 --> 00:31:57,230
and listen to crazy UFOs but that was

728
00:32:01,000 --> 00:31:58,820
the unfortunate part about it but it did

729
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,010
generate a lot of positive headlines and

730
00:32:07,210 --> 00:32:04,240
I guess we should point out too that

731
00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:07,220
Rubin Langdon and even Jeremy Korbel

732
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,190
played a big role in in the execution of

733
00:32:15,010 --> 00:32:12,320
the the Citizen hearing as well you know

734
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:15,020
just looking back on it now it's it was

735
00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:19,370
a very novel approach on the issue of

736
00:32:23,470 --> 00:32:21,950
disclosure right so for you know 70

737
00:32:24,790 --> 00:32:23,480
years we've been banging away trying to

738
00:32:26,500 --> 00:32:24,800
get something out of the government it

739
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:26,510
was just a different way to try and see

740
00:32:30,430 --> 00:32:28,970
if we could shake something loose so I

741
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:30,440
give give

742
00:32:33,820 --> 00:32:32,450
Stephen Bassett credit for that thinking

743
00:32:36,070 --> 00:32:33,830
out of the box and trying something

744
00:32:38,909 --> 00:32:36,080
really different and and I think you

745
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:38,919
know it it did produce some meaningful

746
00:32:44,049 --> 00:32:41,840
results not what we wanted but you know

747
00:32:45,580 --> 00:32:44,059
still meaningful results so you know at

748
00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:45,590
least kudos Dan for trying something

749
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:48,620
different and and you know I it's

750
00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:50,570
definitely I think great viewing and

751
00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:52,100
something everybody should have a look

752
00:32:57,009 --> 00:32:55,129
at yeah definitely and and yeah Citizen

753
00:32:59,080 --> 00:32:57,019
hearing gorg's no place you can go watch

754
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:59,090
all that testimony pretty fascinating

755
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,360
stuff

756
00:33:04,419 --> 00:33:02,000
oh let's move on to the next item

757
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:04,429
counting down our list Ryan what have

758
00:33:10,899 --> 00:33:07,970
you got yeah you've got our favorite

759
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:10,909
don't you okay so our favorite on the

760
00:33:20,409 --> 00:33:12,350
list I don't know what I did to deserve

761
00:33:22,539 --> 00:33:20,419
this okay okay here we go

762
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:22,549
bear with me guys I'm gonna try to get

763
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:24,529
through this convoluted story as quickly

764
00:33:30,580 --> 00:33:27,289
as possible this happened back in May of

765
00:33:33,610 --> 00:33:30,590
2015 when our favorite Mexican UFO

766
00:33:36,399 --> 00:33:33,620
researcher Haim Ahsan he unveiled to the

767
00:33:38,740 --> 00:33:36,409
world what he says were slides and

768
00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:38,750
images of an alien from the Roswell UFO

769
00:33:44,889 --> 00:33:42,289
crash he presented this to a huge

770
00:33:47,919 --> 00:33:44,899
audience at a stadium in Mexico City and

771
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:47,929
streamed it across the world for a price

772
00:33:54,220 --> 00:33:51,289
I might add the images they first became

773
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:54,230
known by a man named Adam do who brought

774
00:33:59,049 --> 00:33:57,289
them to Masson and several other Roswell

775
00:34:01,720 --> 00:33:59,059
investigators including Don Schmidt and

776
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:01,730
Tom Kerry and for almost a year I think

777
00:34:06,009 --> 00:34:03,830
they were kind of teasing this thing and

778
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:06,019
promoting the idea that they had this

779
00:34:10,109 --> 00:34:07,850
bombshell evidence that would blow the

780
00:34:14,530 --> 00:34:10,119
entire Roswell incident wide open and

781
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:14,540
then the day in May came and we all saw

782
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:17,440
the images and I think all of us were

783
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:21,050
little less than satisfied the the image

784
00:34:25,930 --> 00:34:23,569
showed a very blurry image of a small

785
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:25,940
being one lying on a slab in front of

786
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:29,210
some sort of glass casing I believe if

787
00:34:32,619 --> 00:34:30,710
I'm looking at the picture right there

788
00:34:34,690 --> 00:34:32,629
was a placard that sat below it but

789
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,700
could not be read by the human eye of

790
00:34:39,340 --> 00:34:36,800
course blurry photos seemed to be a

791
00:34:44,860 --> 00:34:41,890
for over two hours at this packed

792
00:34:47,170 --> 00:34:44,870
Stadium and a horribly streamed audience

793
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:47,180
Masson invited researchers and

794
00:34:51,250 --> 00:34:48,890
scientists to speak some of which

795
00:34:54,430 --> 00:34:51,260
actually backed up the images gave us a

796
00:34:56,230 --> 00:34:54,440
play-by-play of how they supposedly came

797
00:34:58,660 --> 00:34:56,240
to be and everything and for some reason

798
00:35:00,820 --> 00:34:58,670
Richard Owen was there he never thought

799
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:00,830
the image was alien but he was still

800
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:02,810
there speaking I will never forgive him

801
00:35:09,550 --> 00:35:06,950
for that but one slide was shown at the

802
00:35:11,350 --> 00:35:09,560
event and later Haim Ahsan would post a

803
00:35:14,830 --> 00:35:11,360
second image on his Twitter account so

804
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:14,840
within 48 hours of this a group of UFO

805
00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:16,690
researchers and tech-savvy individuals

806
00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:19,250
coined the Roswell sites research group

807
00:35:24,850 --> 00:35:22,190
they were able to deploy the image and

808
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:24,860
figure out that the placard on the image

809
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:26,960
said mummified body of a two year old

810
00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:27,280
boy

811
00:35:30,940 --> 00:35:29,720
so immediately some of the people

812
00:35:32,860 --> 00:35:30,950
started getting defensive that were

813
00:35:35,020 --> 00:35:32,870
involved saying that the blurred photo

814
00:35:38,350 --> 00:35:35,030
is fake this that this that but then

815
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:38,360
more of the the placard was deployed and

816
00:35:41,950 --> 00:35:39,890
it read at the time of the burial the

817
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,960
body was clothed in a slipcover cotton

818
00:35:46,990 --> 00:35:44,240
shirt burial wrappings consisted of

819
00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:47,000
three small blankets and the last line

820
00:35:53,230 --> 00:35:49,700
which kind of blew this all wide open

821
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:53,240
was quote loaned by mr. SL Palmer San

822
00:35:58,810 --> 00:35:56,510
Francisco California so this led other

823
00:36:02,760 --> 00:35:58,820
researchers to then look into it and

824
00:36:06,430 --> 00:36:02,770
they found out that this guy SL Palmer

825
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:06,440
had given this mummy that he'd found to

826
00:36:11,590 --> 00:36:09,110
this museum the museum in Mesa Verde and

827
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,600
since then mostly all involved of issued

828
00:36:16,300 --> 00:36:13,760
public apologies forgettin everyone's

829
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:16,310
hopes up you know Tom carried on Schmidt

830
00:36:21,850 --> 00:36:19,310
said sorry we got our passion got the

831
00:36:23,860 --> 00:36:21,860
best of us Tommy my son I don't really

832
00:36:25,990 --> 00:36:23,870
know where he stands on all this today

833
00:36:29,110 --> 00:36:26,000
but the main person that kind of started

834
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:29,120
this all Adam do is like nowhere to be

835
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,530
found he was supposed to come out with a

836
00:36:35,350 --> 00:36:33,200
documentary about it never happened we

837
00:36:37,900 --> 00:36:35,360
never saw these crystal-clear copies

838
00:36:42,550 --> 00:36:37,910
that Adam supposedly has of these images

839
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:42,560
either so yeah I think this is a huge

840
00:36:47,710 --> 00:36:45,770
black eye on the UFO community this

841
00:36:49,810 --> 00:36:47,720
entire thing and it really goes to show

842
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:49,820
that when your passion and beliefs get

843
00:36:53,650 --> 00:36:51,890
ahead of yet it can really

844
00:36:55,779 --> 00:36:53,660
really look bad for the rest of us so

845
00:36:58,479 --> 00:36:55,789
yeah that was that was rough

846
00:37:01,599 --> 00:36:58,489
well UFOs are so just just the nature of

847
00:37:05,799 --> 00:37:01,609
UFOs with with the the mystery that they

848
00:37:07,870 --> 00:37:05,809
are it's just so ridiculous for a

849
00:37:11,229 --> 00:37:07,880
researcher to come out and make grand

850
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:11,239
claims and both I mean everybody

851
00:37:13,779 --> 00:37:13,130
involved in this should have known

852
00:37:17,259 --> 00:37:13,789
better

853
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:17,269
certainly not the individual who own

854
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:19,130
these things claim to find them in a

855
00:37:23,380 --> 00:37:20,839
cigar box in the house or whatever II

856
00:37:25,390 --> 00:37:23,390
did yeah I wanted to make a documentary

857
00:37:27,549 --> 00:37:25,400
with that it's not a UFO researcher but

858
00:37:29,799 --> 00:37:27,559
the UFO research is involved should have

859
00:37:32,890 --> 00:37:29,809
known better than to hype this thing up

860
00:37:35,849 --> 00:37:32,900
make grand claims and and affirmative ly

861
00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:35,859
say this was absolutely something we

862
00:37:40,690 --> 00:37:38,660
know we know better I was just gonna say

863
00:37:44,470 --> 00:37:40,700
but that's happened so many times in

864
00:37:47,259 --> 00:37:44,480
this decade you know it has a necessity

865
00:37:49,630 --> 00:37:47,269
i mean people should people should learn

866
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:49,640
and you can't make these grand claims

867
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:51,410
because we're dealing with something so

868
00:37:56,559 --> 00:37:53,690
mysterious so unknown and being a

869
00:37:59,460 --> 00:37:56,569
responsible researcher you just can't

870
00:38:02,200 --> 00:37:59,470
make claims like that unless you have

871
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:02,210
definitive proof to back it up these

872
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:03,920
guys were operating under assumptions

873
00:38:08,589 --> 00:38:05,569
they were operating under things that

874
00:38:09,819 --> 00:38:08,599
they've been told they didn't see the

875
00:38:11,529 --> 00:38:09,829
test for themselves they didn't get

876
00:38:13,930 --> 00:38:11,539
testing done by themselves they were

877
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:13,940
being told things that Jaime was telling

878
00:38:17,380 --> 00:38:15,650
them that had been done by questionable

879
00:38:19,509 --> 00:38:17,390
doctors and all sorts of weird things

880
00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:19,519
with this whole case but they didn't

881
00:38:22,779 --> 00:38:20,809
personally know they hadn't done the

882
00:38:25,059 --> 00:38:22,789
research on it and they were hyping this

883
00:38:26,890 --> 00:38:25,069
thing from the stage you know at

884
00:38:28,779 --> 00:38:26,900
conferences and things saying we have

885
00:38:30,999 --> 00:38:28,789
definitive proof that Roswell was alien

886
00:38:33,549 --> 00:38:31,009
all this stuff really hyping it up and

887
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:33,559
it just came back and slapped him so

888
00:38:37,989 --> 00:38:36,079
hard in the face you know it's it's hard

889
00:38:39,940 --> 00:38:37,999
to believe that they've managed to you

890
00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:39,950
know recuperate from that I mean it was

891
00:38:44,349 --> 00:38:41,900
it was a dirty time for a while I mean

892
00:38:46,059 --> 00:38:44,359
even rich Dolan was getting so much

893
00:38:47,380 --> 00:38:46,069
and rightfully so I mean everybody

894
00:38:49,420 --> 00:38:47,390
involved with this it was just such an

895
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:49,430
embarrassing debacle if people would

896
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:52,249
make grand claims without you know being

897
00:38:55,210 --> 00:38:54,049
cautious without putting the thing out

898
00:38:57,729 --> 00:38:55,220
there saying hey we found something

899
00:38:59,200 --> 00:38:57,739
interesting it might be extraterrestrial

900
00:39:00,039 --> 00:38:59,210
we don't know but we're going to show

901
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:00,049
you something

902
00:39:03,489 --> 00:39:01,910
and we're working on this we'll figure

903
00:39:04,859 --> 00:39:03,499
it out we'll do testing whatever we have

904
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:04,869
to do to figure it out

905
00:39:08,910 --> 00:39:06,729
but here's an interesting development in

906
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:08,920
the case right and I think this one

907
00:39:15,089 --> 00:39:11,049
really is an example of like how our

908
00:39:18,329 --> 00:39:15,099
field gets amnesia Oh easy

909
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:18,339
I like to compare this Jason kinda to UM

910
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:20,170
our good friend and colleague Peter

911
00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:22,390
Robbins I mean this guy based almost

912
00:39:27,029 --> 00:39:24,700
half his career on one house the

913
00:39:28,499 --> 00:39:27,039
Rendlesham and then to come to find out

914
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:28,509
like the guy who worked with may have

915
00:39:33,180 --> 00:39:30,249
been less than honest about his

916
00:39:35,999 --> 00:39:33,190
involvement and what did Peter do he he

917
00:39:38,339 --> 00:39:36,009
admitted to it he like stood up he

918
00:39:40,859 --> 00:39:38,349
manned up as it were and he said look I

919
00:39:43,130 --> 00:39:40,869
mess up and I want to move on from that

920
00:39:45,900 --> 00:39:43,140
and I want to do the right thing and

921
00:39:49,289 --> 00:39:45,910
let's just keep working at this when

922
00:39:52,769 --> 00:39:49,299
members of this whether they issued an

923
00:39:54,900 --> 00:39:52,779
apology or not still aren't owning up to

924
00:39:57,630 --> 00:39:54,910
it in my opinion in terms of like how

925
00:39:59,549 --> 00:39:57,640
detrimental this was but again like any

926
00:40:03,120 --> 00:39:59,559
story it'll fade into obscurity like

927
00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:03,130
they all do but this was more an example

928
00:40:08,459 --> 00:40:06,190
of good diligent research by you know

929
00:40:10,709 --> 00:40:08,469
civilians and by like people behind

930
00:40:13,529 --> 00:40:10,719
their computers this Roswell slides

931
00:40:16,259 --> 00:40:13,539
research group jumped into action gotta

932
00:40:19,170 --> 00:40:16,269
thank them they did amazing amazing work

933
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:19,180
and that's what we need and well I'm

934
00:40:24,979 --> 00:40:22,089
sure for for like Richard and Tom and

935
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:24,989
Don that this case falls on a on a

936
00:40:34,289 --> 00:40:32,079
top-10 list of a different kind but like

937
00:40:38,759 --> 00:40:34,299
I mean this decade has been a mark of

938
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:38,769
like alleged alien mummies and this is

939
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:40,390
not the only embarrassing one and since

940
00:40:46,099 --> 00:40:43,569
we're not covering them gonna do my due

941
00:40:51,709 --> 00:40:46,109
diligence and this is very similar to

942
00:40:56,549 --> 00:40:51,719
the hype that was around the atacama

943
00:40:58,559 --> 00:40:56,559
mommy yeah it was little a de it was

944
00:41:01,440 --> 00:40:58,569
baby yeah not to be mistaken for baby

945
00:41:03,749 --> 00:41:01,450
Yoda right huge news and then

946
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,759
unfortunately I really would like

947
00:41:08,969 --> 00:41:06,160
luckily my name isn't totally associated

948
00:41:12,930 --> 00:41:08,979
with this but Jason and I had to deal

949
00:41:16,109 --> 00:41:12,940
with Pepe the squirrel monkey oh boy

950
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:16,119
that was that was advertised as being an

951
00:41:23,170 --> 00:41:18,170
alien mummy also from

952
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:23,180
Busan and so yeah there this is

953
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:25,310
something that keeps appearing and

954
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:29,150
especially with items that look strange

955
00:41:31,780 --> 00:41:31,610
that are mummified we don't know what it

956
00:41:34,330 --> 00:41:31,790
is

957
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:34,340
let's not immediately just because it

958
00:41:37,210 --> 00:41:35,690
looks strange jump to the

959
00:41:38,770 --> 00:41:37,220
extra-terrestrial conclusion

960
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:38,780
I think that's the most important thing

961
00:41:44,350 --> 00:41:41,780
any of us can do like we say you know

962
00:41:47,020 --> 00:41:44,360
due diligence on research put the

963
00:41:50,190 --> 00:41:47,030
science behind it then if it comes back

964
00:41:52,210 --> 00:41:50,200
saying holy this is legitimately

965
00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:52,220
extraterrestrial in nature then let's

966
00:41:56,980 --> 00:41:54,620
tell the world when I what one day if I

967
00:41:59,470 --> 00:41:56,990
decide to to reach the point to where I

968
00:42:02,590 --> 00:41:59,480
just want to completely trash my

969
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:02,600
credibility and you know throw myself

970
00:42:09,220 --> 00:42:05,330
down the toilet I'm gonna pull up my old

971
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:09,230
photos with Pepe holding Pepe and

972
00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:10,910
kissing Pepe and everything I'll post

973
00:42:17,590 --> 00:42:13,730
him around and tell people that I found

974
00:42:19,390 --> 00:42:17,600
an alien yeah I could go back to some

975
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:19,400
people and get some get some money and

976
00:42:24,970 --> 00:42:22,400
get a circus going I'm sure we have some

977
00:42:29,830 --> 00:42:24,980
photos from our UFO days that we don't

978
00:42:32,110 --> 00:42:29,840
want the photo I posted most of them

979
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:32,120
publicly but making fun of it but if I

980
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:35,810
were to be be a sleazy person and past

981
00:42:41,890 --> 00:42:39,050
try to pass them off as real there would

982
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:41,900
be some biters yeah unfortunately that

983
00:42:47,860 --> 00:42:45,110
is so true yeah all right well the next

984
00:42:50,590 --> 00:42:47,870
item on our list was tremendously

985
00:42:52,780 --> 00:42:50,600
publicly visible and we're talking about

986
00:42:54,820 --> 00:42:52,790
Hillary Clinton so as she started

987
00:42:57,010 --> 00:42:54,830
hitting the campaign trail in her push

988
00:42:59,470 --> 00:42:57,020
for the White House Hillary Clinton made

989
00:43:03,160 --> 00:42:59,480
considerable headlines related to UFOs

990
00:43:06,070 --> 00:43:03,170
in 2016 Hillary and her husband former

991
00:43:09,070 --> 00:43:06,080
US President Bill Clinton are very vocal

992
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:09,080
about their interest in UFOs and during

993
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:12,170
one of her publicity stops when she was

994
00:43:16,780 --> 00:43:15,050
asked about UFOs she commented quote I

995
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:16,790
think we may have been visited already

996
00:43:21,730 --> 00:43:20,480
we don't know for sure in quote and who

997
00:43:23,980 --> 00:43:21,740
could forget her appearance on Jimmy

998
00:43:26,290 --> 00:43:23,990
Kimmel Live where she stated quote I

999
00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:26,300
would like us to go into those files and

1000
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:28,670
hopefully make as much of that public as

1001
00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:30,770
possible if there's nothing there let's

1002
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:32,190
tell the people there's nothing

1003
00:43:37,730 --> 00:43:35,490
in quote then there was the moment on

1004
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:37,740
that show when she explained to Kimmel

1005
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:40,740
that quote unidentified aerial phenomena

1006
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:44,010
or UAP is the modern nomenclature for

1007
00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:46,950
UFOs Bill Clinton's chief of staff John

1008
00:43:51,319 --> 00:43:48,750
Podesta was also Hillary's campaign

1009
00:43:53,990 --> 00:43:51,329
chairman this former counselor to

1010
00:43:56,059 --> 00:43:54,000
President Obama is a strong advocate for

1011
00:43:58,450 --> 00:43:56,069
government transparency when it comes to

1012
00:44:01,640 --> 00:43:58,460
knowledge of UFOs and files related to

1013
00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,650
UFO phenomena when Podesta left the

1014
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,900
White House he began working on

1015
00:44:09,650 --> 00:44:06,480
Clinton's campaign and he publicly

1016
00:44:11,839 --> 00:44:09,660
voiced regret over not being able to get

1017
00:44:14,329 --> 00:44:11,849
the government UFO FILES released to the

1018
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:14,339
public while on the campaign trail in

1019
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:17,430
2016 when asked about Podesta Hillary

1020
00:44:21,620 --> 00:44:20,130
stated quote he has made me personally

1021
00:44:24,799 --> 00:44:21,630
pledge we are going to get the

1022
00:44:27,740 --> 00:44:24,809
information out in quote she continued

1023
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,750
quote one way or another maybe we could

1024
00:44:32,839 --> 00:44:30,240
have like a task force go to area 51 in

1025
00:44:34,579 --> 00:44:32,849
quote of course Podesta generated

1026
00:44:36,559 --> 00:44:34,589
considerable UFO headlines of his own

1027
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:36,569
including those related to WikiLeaks

1028
00:44:40,819 --> 00:44:39,089
publishing his hacked emails and some of

1029
00:44:44,599 --> 00:44:40,829
those emails contained communications

1030
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:44,609
with Tom DeLonge about UFOs but yeah

1031
00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:47,970
Hillary certainly generated a countless

1032
00:44:51,859 --> 00:44:51,000
ufo-related headlines around that time

1033
00:44:54,500 --> 00:44:51,869
that was pretty fun

1034
00:44:56,180 --> 00:44:54,510
also another headline she generated

1035
00:44:59,539 --> 00:44:56,190
unless somehow I miss it you said that

1036
00:45:01,010 --> 00:44:59,549
is you know the photo came out of her

1037
00:45:03,019 --> 00:45:01,020
walking around with Lawrence Rockefeller

1038
00:45:05,299 --> 00:45:03,029
and she was holding a book that everyone

1039
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:05,309
freaked out over right and they're like

1040
00:45:09,980 --> 00:45:07,170
what is it and it finally came to light

1041
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:09,990
that the book was Paul Davies are we

1042
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,450
alone people went through the roof with

1043
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:14,520
that because that meant she was actively

1044
00:45:20,420 --> 00:45:18,000
talking about extraterrestrial life with

1045
00:45:23,150 --> 00:45:20,430
Lawrence Rockefeller and walking around

1046
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,160
his estate that prior to this decade but

1047
00:45:28,670 --> 00:45:24,960
the biggest solving of what the book was

1048
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:28,680
right came out yeah and she kind of

1049
00:45:33,380 --> 00:45:30,450
again paved the way for other

1050
00:45:36,049 --> 00:45:33,390
politicians like Bernie Sanders Andrew

1051
00:45:37,819 --> 00:45:36,059
yang they both has said like on the

1052
00:45:39,890 --> 00:45:37,829
campaign run like oh yeah totally I'll

1053
00:45:42,380 --> 00:45:39,900
disclose any info on that

1054
00:45:45,289 --> 00:45:42,390
we all know like they'll they all say

1055
00:45:48,140 --> 00:45:45,299
that in nothing but it was cool to see

1056
00:45:50,029 --> 00:45:48,150
other other representatives saying stuff

1057
00:45:52,579 --> 00:45:50,039
about like yeah totally I'll look into

1058
00:45:53,989 --> 00:45:52,589
the topic so well and God bless Jimmy

1059
00:45:56,059 --> 00:45:53,999
Kimmel you know that's his thing every

1060
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:56,069
politician who comes on every president

1061
00:46:01,309 --> 00:45:58,890
you know he loves asking about UFOs he's

1062
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:01,319
done that with GW he did that with Obama

1063
00:46:05,900 --> 00:46:03,599
he did that with Bill Clinton

1064
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:05,910
well he's openly stated he will always

1065
00:46:10,339 --> 00:46:08,400
ask that question yes that I will always

1066
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:10,349
to every presidential hopeful that is my

1067
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:13,170
number one question if that's say he

1068
00:46:16,339 --> 00:46:15,089
always says that to you so if if I were

1069
00:46:18,799 --> 00:46:16,349
elected president the first thing I do

1070
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:18,809
is run in and say tell me about the UFOs

1071
00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:21,450
I love Jimmy Kimmel love it yeah yeah

1072
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:23,190
love it yep put him as your write-in

1073
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:26,970
vote guys all right next on the list

1074
00:46:31,759 --> 00:46:28,890
Maureen what is next

1075
00:46:34,069 --> 00:46:31,769
so some of the most exciting things that

1076
00:46:37,220 --> 00:46:34,079
have happened over the last decade are a

1077
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:37,230
continuance of commercial flights seeing

1078
00:46:43,220 --> 00:46:40,410
UFOs especially near the end of 2017

1079
00:46:44,749 --> 00:46:43,230
and the beginning of 2018 there was some

1080
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:44,759
really exciting and incidents of

1081
00:46:49,910 --> 00:46:47,249
commercial pilots and unidentified

1082
00:46:51,650 --> 00:46:49,920
flying objects and these were reports

1083
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:51,660
that generated headlines that went all

1084
00:46:58,670 --> 00:46:54,900
over the world banana fi Kraft was seen

1085
00:47:01,309 --> 00:46:58,680
on October 25th 2017 in the sky near the

1086
00:47:03,499 --> 00:47:01,319
border of California and Oregon now this

1087
00:47:05,809 --> 00:47:03,509
UFO was seen visually by several

1088
00:47:07,309 --> 00:47:05,819
commercial pilots and they worked with

1089
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,319
ground controllers in an attempt to

1090
00:47:11,989 --> 00:47:09,839
identify it this unidentified white

1091
00:47:14,269 --> 00:47:11,999
craft was seen by several pilots flying

1092
00:47:15,979 --> 00:47:14,279
over Oregon and fighter jets were

1093
00:47:17,690 --> 00:47:15,989
scrambled to intercept and identified

1094
00:47:20,509 --> 00:47:17,700
the unknown craft but they were

1095
00:47:23,089 --> 00:47:20,519
unsuccessful in locating it the faa

1096
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:23,099
norton NORAD confirmed the incident

1097
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:25,529
occurred so we have official proof this

1098
00:47:31,339 --> 00:47:28,890
is is not a flighty event the craft was

1099
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:31,349
large enough to be seen at a distance by

1100
00:47:35,749 --> 00:47:33,690
commercial traffic reportedly traveled

1101
00:47:38,029 --> 00:47:35,759
at incredible speeds and it had limited

1102
00:47:41,299 --> 00:47:38,039
radar reflectivity and was capable of

1103
00:47:44,210 --> 00:47:41,309
executing haiji maneuvers so nobody

1104
00:47:46,729 --> 00:47:44,220
knows what this is and this was really

1105
00:47:48,829 --> 00:47:46,739
crazy they you know thought maybe it was

1106
00:47:51,259 --> 00:47:48,839
a drug plane but it wasn't so it

1107
00:47:52,819 --> 00:47:51,269
traveled off and they can't find it the

1108
00:47:53,630 --> 00:47:52,829
fact that fighter jets are scrambled is

1109
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:53,640
really cool and

1110
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:55,650
similar incident occurred on the

1111
00:48:00,859 --> 00:47:58,859
afternoon of February 24th in 2018 and

1112
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:00,869
when two commercial airliners

1113
00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:03,450
independently spotted a UFO this took

1114
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:05,670
place in south eastern Arizona new the

1115
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:07,650
near Mexico border and the cruise aboard

1116
00:48:11,059 --> 00:48:08,940
these planes communicated with

1117
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,069
Albuquerque Center air traffic control

1118
00:48:15,259 --> 00:48:12,960
reporting their visual sighting as it

1119
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:15,269
took place in the entire incident for

1120
00:48:19,849 --> 00:48:17,010
this one lasted only about six minutes

1121
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:19,859
so one of the most important things

1122
00:48:24,289 --> 00:48:22,410
about these commercial sightings and why

1123
00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:24,299
we get really excited about them is

1124
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:27,950
because a pilots are trained to look for

1125
00:48:34,099 --> 00:48:31,380
aircraft in the sky ground controls

1126
00:48:35,089 --> 00:48:34,109
trained to follow craft and obviously

1127
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:35,099
you're supposed to have your flight

1128
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:38,250
paths in so when unknown objects are

1129
00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:39,930
spotted by these you also have mass

1130
00:48:45,470 --> 00:48:41,910
witnesses and you have a lot of science

1131
00:48:48,019 --> 00:48:45,480
at your disposal already in order to try

1132
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:48,029
and identify something while it's still

1133
00:48:52,819 --> 00:48:51,150
in the air and I know with the the

1134
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:52,829
Oregon California they were really

1135
00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:54,510
worried you know that like I said it was

1136
00:48:58,789 --> 00:48:56,579
drug trafficker headed up to the

1137
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,799
Canadian border but this this white

1138
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:00,720
object just basically disappeared after

1139
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:03,089
all these people had seen it in the

1140
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:04,049
fighter jets

1141
00:49:11,539 --> 00:49:09,750
speeds but not fast enough yeah wider

1142
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:11,549
Jets couldn't find it they went up and

1143
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:15,450
they're all hello yeah that is crazy and

1144
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:18,089
one of the coolest thing about both of

1145
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:20,700
these cases is thanks to the incredible

1146
00:49:26,569 --> 00:49:23,880
work of Tyler rogue away we have all of

1147
00:49:30,710 --> 00:49:26,579
the FAA recording from the communication

1148
00:49:34,789 --> 00:49:30,720
with all of these pilots with FAA with

1149
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:34,799
NORAD with the sort of follow up after

1150
00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:36,089
the event of them trying to piece

1151
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:37,500
together the puzzle to figure out what

1152
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:40,200
the hell happened it's so fascinating to

1153
00:49:45,259 --> 00:49:42,960
listen to you just the process of them

1154
00:49:48,319 --> 00:49:45,269
trying to deal with a UFO and the sky

1155
00:49:50,269 --> 00:49:48,329
and these both generated so many

1156
00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:50,279
headlines and this is another example of

1157
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:52,619
something reaching just the general

1158
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:55,049
public you know pop culture I can't tell

1159
00:50:00,049 --> 00:49:57,119
you how many times I was asked about

1160
00:50:02,029 --> 00:50:00,059
this these cases by people who aren't

1161
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:02,039
into UFOs they would come to me and say

1162
00:50:05,779 --> 00:50:04,079
hey so what's the deal with these the

1163
00:50:07,610 --> 00:50:05,789
the planes they were we're over Oregon

1164
00:50:09,470 --> 00:50:07,620
what what what's the deal with that

1165
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:09,480
it was really cool yeah I know the the

1166
00:50:13,610 --> 00:50:11,610
other one that made a lot of headlines

1167
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:13,620
too was the one and was it Ireland

1168
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:17,010
Ireland yeah what's that one - had some

1169
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:19,890
audio and you can tell like all these

1170
00:50:24,860 --> 00:50:21,810
flights our operators and even the

1171
00:50:27,350 --> 00:50:24,870
pilots like they are really dumbfounded

1172
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:27,360
by what they're seeing and they use the

1173
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:30,270
term UFO many many times which used to

1174
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:32,850
be a huge stigma you never set that word

1175
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,010
when you're up there but it seems that

1176
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:36,960
that might be changing a little bit as

1177
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:39,960
these cases and these phenomena are

1178
00:50:45,380 --> 00:50:41,970
plaguing more and more of our commercial

1179
00:50:48,020 --> 00:50:45,390
pilots yeah you would think too with the

1180
00:50:49,700 --> 00:50:48,030
way the TTS a and its popularity and

1181
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:49,710
then identified those sorts of things

1182
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:52,650
that now and of course with Fox News and

1183
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:55,140
Tucker Carson and those that you know

1184
00:50:59,780 --> 00:50:57,450
the media is warming up a little bit to

1185
00:51:01,820 --> 00:50:59,790
this and feels a little bit safer to to

1186
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:01,830
report and probably not to mention the

1187
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:04,290
competition from the likes of you know

1188
00:51:10,100 --> 00:51:07,730
Tyler rogue away and and those sorts of

1189
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:10,110
publications as well right and you look

1190
00:51:14,540 --> 00:51:12,330
at like cases back to Japan Airlines

1191
00:51:16,460 --> 00:51:14,550
case you know Tata who chose like put on

1192
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:16,470
desk duty after reporting the UFO I

1193
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:18,240
don't see that happening anymore I'm

1194
00:51:22,940 --> 00:51:20,700
sure their careers are just fine Brian

1195
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:22,950
reporting these things because times

1196
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:25,170
have changed and these things are more

1197
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:27,570
and more common well and yeah good point

1198
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:29,730
Ryan and another thing I think you know

1199
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:33,720
we're we live in an era of cya right so

1200
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:35,310
that the light of these flight

1201
00:51:39,050 --> 00:51:37,170
controllers these pilots they don't want

1202
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:39,060
to be responsible something happens so

1203
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:41,250
to cover their asses they're gonna

1204
00:51:44,330 --> 00:51:41,930
report it

1205
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:44,340
alright so we're getting into things

1206
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:47,010
that took place much more recently so

1207
00:51:51,290 --> 00:51:49,740
the next list on or the next item on our

1208
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:51,300
list will likely be fresh in your mind

1209
00:51:56,660 --> 00:51:53,490
and of course we're talking about a tip

1210
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:56,670
and T TSA so on Wednesday October 11th

1211
00:52:02,000 --> 00:51:59,700
2017 trans media company to the Stars

1212
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:02,010
hosted a livestream event during which

1213
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:04,170
founder Tom DeLonge announced a new

1214
00:52:08,950 --> 00:52:07,050
endeavor for the company which was to

1215
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:08,960
the Stars Academy of Arts and Science

1216
00:52:13,660 --> 00:52:11,760
PTSA has been the source of countless

1217
00:52:15,830 --> 00:52:13,670
global headlines since its launch

1218
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:15,840
including the well-known New York Times

1219
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:18,960
story published on December 15th 2017

1220
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:20,730
that revealed the Pentagon's

1221
00:52:23,780 --> 00:52:21,540
contemporary

1222
00:52:25,610 --> 00:52:23,790
UFO study known as the advanced

1223
00:52:28,930 --> 00:52:25,620
aerospace threat identification program

1224
00:52:31,310 --> 00:52:28,940
don't forget those three Navy UFO videos

1225
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:31,320
modification to the Navy's UFO reporting

1226
00:52:36,380 --> 00:52:33,930
policy government partnerships related

1227
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:36,390
to testing exotic material and the UFO

1228
00:52:40,820 --> 00:52:38,970
TV show on the History Channel all these

1229
00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:40,830
things generated multiple stories by

1230
00:52:46,310 --> 00:52:43,590
media outlets around the world and all

1231
00:52:49,490 --> 00:52:46,320
are a result of the work up to the Stars

1232
00:52:54,260 --> 00:52:49,500
Academy pretty remarkable how much that

1233
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:54,270
is just monopolized really the bulk of

1234
00:52:59,450 --> 00:52:56,610
the UFO community and in the things we

1235
00:53:01,730 --> 00:52:59,460
talk about what ufo-related headlines

1236
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,740
that have been generated it is the face

1237
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:03,660
of ufology there's no way to get around

1238
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:04,500
it

1239
00:53:10,670 --> 00:53:07,530
we can thank Tom DeLonge for giving the

1240
00:53:12,290 --> 00:53:10,680
topic like I think the it's just dues

1241
00:53:14,150 --> 00:53:12,300
but at the same time it's like when you

1242
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:14,160
have this one narrative out there now

1243
00:53:19,430 --> 00:53:16,290
it's tough it's hard it's tough to be

1244
00:53:22,310 --> 00:53:19,440
the the signal again stall the noise

1245
00:53:24,620 --> 00:53:22,320
yeah absolutely and and that's true to

1246
00:53:27,290 --> 00:53:24,630
to to an extent too if you think about

1247
00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:27,300
it it's like we're kind of being blinded

1248
00:53:32,060 --> 00:53:29,280
to a lot of other potential stories that

1249
00:53:33,350 --> 00:53:32,070
are probably happening right now and

1250
00:53:36,250 --> 00:53:33,360
we're in the dark because the news is

1251
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:36,260
focusing all on on this one segment so

1252
00:53:41,180 --> 00:53:38,850
got to keep our ears open to the the

1253
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:41,190
underground stuff happening yeah almost

1254
00:53:45,170 --> 00:53:42,690
four years now we're talking about the

1255
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:45,180
tic-tac come on let's move on

1256
00:53:50,540 --> 00:53:47,880
it'll happen it'll happen but you know I

1257
00:53:52,250 --> 00:53:50,550
think it's gonna take and you know we we

1258
00:53:53,690 --> 00:53:52,260
in the community the UFO community like

1259
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:53,700
to do a lot of bitching and moaning

1260
00:53:59,420 --> 00:53:56,940
about mainstream media and you know I'm

1261
00:54:02,780 --> 00:53:59,430
not giving the attention to UFOs that it

1262
00:54:05,060 --> 00:54:02,790
deserves but at the same time you know

1263
00:54:08,410 --> 00:54:05,070
time shift and we get you know some

1264
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:08,420
people from the UFO community writing

1265
00:54:14,570 --> 00:54:12,630
for mainstream publications and they

1266
00:54:16,910 --> 00:54:14,580
really control the power I mean we've

1267
00:54:20,690 --> 00:54:16,920
all written for mainstream publications

1268
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:20,700
and know how the the media works and you

1269
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:21,930
know you really do have a lot of power

1270
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:23,370
on the stories that you choose to write

1271
00:54:29,750 --> 00:54:27,330
and we're seeing right now from many of

1272
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:29,760
the the UFO researchers people from the

1273
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:31,170
UFO community who are writing for

1274
00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:34,110
mainstream outlets are really choosing

1275
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:35,460
just to write stories up

1276
00:54:41,660 --> 00:54:39,480
about things related to TTS a when there

1277
00:54:43,700 --> 00:54:41,670
are so many other things happening and I

1278
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:43,710
have to give credit and and I do you

1279
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:45,780
have to point out the big void that has

1280
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,960
been in UFO reporting since Lee Spiegel

1281
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:50,400
left The Huffington Post

1282
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:53,160
Seattle Lee Spiegel would certainly

1283
00:54:58,490 --> 00:54:54,930
cover the big stories but he would also

1284
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:58,500
find other smaller unknown stories to

1285
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:00,000
talk about he would also do a true

1286
00:55:03,830 --> 00:55:02,010
investigative journalism and use his

1287
00:55:05,420 --> 00:55:03,840
sources and go after stories and do

1288
00:55:07,820 --> 00:55:05,430
updates on those stories and really dig

1289
00:55:10,490 --> 00:55:07,830
in and pull out some really fascinating

1290
00:55:12,410 --> 00:55:10,500
things going on and I think the UFO

1291
00:55:17,060 --> 00:55:12,420
community is really missing that right

1292
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:17,070
now a true general journalist who digs

1293
00:55:22,180 --> 00:55:19,680
in and approaches this topic like a

1294
00:55:24,980 --> 00:55:22,190
journalist and doesn't just focus on

1295
00:55:27,470 --> 00:55:24,990
what they see posted on Facebook and UFO

1296
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,480
groups you know there's a lot more to

1297
00:55:33,110 --> 00:55:29,640
UFOs than what's trending right now

1298
00:55:35,630 --> 00:55:33,120
among UFO people we miss you lead yeah

1299
00:55:37,610 --> 00:55:35,640
miss you Lee but he'll be coming back

1300
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:37,620
with a storm I mean he's got his podcast

1301
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:41,040
right now that's cool and you know he's

1302
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:43,290
got the great film with James Fox that

1303
00:55:48,260 --> 00:55:46,170
we're going to get in 2020 so I've been

1304
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:48,270
living under a rock I did not know Lee

1305
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:52,110
had a podcast can you please drop yes

1306
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,940
nation about that yes we will certainly

1307
00:55:58,460 --> 00:55:56,160
post a link so we had a hot cast for

1308
00:56:02,210 --> 00:55:58,470
sure one cool thing though about the

1309
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:02,220
whole nimitz case and the t TSA and I

1310
00:56:06,740 --> 00:56:04,740
don't know if it's you know it's

1311
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:06,750
probably a combination of like the case

1312
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:10,890
itself and but also the timing that you

1313
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:13,950
know I I do worry like you say Ryan too

1314
00:56:18,380 --> 00:56:15,510
is you know too much focus on the

1315
00:56:19,970 --> 00:56:18,390
singular thing and and if it gets

1316
00:56:22,430 --> 00:56:19,980
resolved I mean I've even thought of

1317
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:22,440
this what if what if it gets resolved in

1318
00:56:29,150 --> 00:56:24,690
a way like it it's identified like let's

1319
00:56:31,610 --> 00:56:29,160
just say there's some program will that

1320
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:31,620
just all of a sudden you know D

1321
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:34,500
legitimized everything that everything

1322
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:35,040
else

1323
00:56:38,090 --> 00:56:36,660
other than that you know do we go back

1324
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:38,100
to the whole thing we've been

1325
00:56:42,380 --> 00:56:40,530
experiencing for 70 years or not I mean

1326
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:42,390
that is a little bit of worry but you

1327
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:45,870
know I also appreciate the fact that you

1328
00:56:49,070 --> 00:56:48,690
know we needed something different to

1329
00:56:51,020 --> 00:56:49,080
have

1330
00:56:53,090 --> 00:56:51,030
and you know we've been plugging away

1331
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:53,100
for you know these 70 years and not

1332
00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:55,380
really getting anywhere and and things

1333
00:56:59,900 --> 00:56:57,240
really are different because of this

1334
00:57:03,920 --> 00:56:59,910
case and this issue and maybe the way it

1335
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:03,930
came out and maybe it is a bit about TST

1336
00:57:08,900 --> 00:57:05,850
TSA and they tip and all those things

1337
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:08,910
but I mean the fact is it it it is it

1338
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:12,330
has changed things and I think that's

1339
00:57:15,260 --> 00:57:14,010
pretty cool and exciting but I think

1340
00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:15,270
you're right we'll also have to be

1341
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,940
careful and watchful that just doesn't

1342
00:57:24,020 --> 00:57:20,400
change things in the in a negative way

1343
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:24,030
where we do disregard everything else

1344
00:57:28,190 --> 00:57:25,290
that's happening because there's still a

1345
00:57:30,890 --> 00:57:28,200
ton of stuff happens every single day so

1346
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:30,900
I started I think your burden falls on

1347
00:57:36,260 --> 00:57:33,810
us you know in the community we have to

1348
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:36,270
step up right we can sit here and

1349
00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:39,210
and moan about it you know we all still

1350
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:41,550
talk about t TSA because it is important

1351
00:57:45,290 --> 00:57:43,530
things that are happening it is it is

1352
00:57:47,690 --> 00:57:45,300
newsworthy and relevant and people

1353
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:47,700
should know about it but we also have to

1354
00:57:54,050 --> 00:57:50,400
do our work and in highlight other

1355
00:57:57,590 --> 00:57:54,060
things and you know not not get caught

1356
00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:57,600
up in this singular mindset and continue

1357
00:58:00,980 --> 00:57:59,010
painting that picture that only one

1358
00:58:04,340 --> 00:58:00,990
thing is happening I said it before and

1359
00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:04,350
I applaud every effort that anybody's

1360
00:58:09,650 --> 00:58:07,110
doing you know I think T TSA is doing

1361
00:58:11,450 --> 00:58:09,660
fantastic stuff I wish them all the luck

1362
00:58:13,820 --> 00:58:11,460
with everything they do that's great I'm

1363
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:13,830
glad they're doing it I think SETI is

1364
00:58:17,330 --> 00:58:15,810
great people like to hate on SETI

1365
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:17,340
they're all oh what a waste of time what

1366
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:18,000
a waste of money

1367
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:19,680
hey I'm glad somebody's doing that

1368
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:21,510
somebody should be doing all the things

1369
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:23,940
all the time and I'm glad when somebody

1370
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:26,370
steps up and wants to take this piece

1371
00:58:32,540 --> 00:58:29,760
and work on that this piece and focus on

1372
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:32,550
that we need all these things going at

1373
00:58:36,350 --> 00:58:34,440
the same time and when you have somebody

1374
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,360
who steps up and wants to do part of

1375
00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:38,640
that I celebrate that and I think that's

1376
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:40,920
wonderful we all have to do our part

1377
00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:44,460
it doesn't hurt us individually or as a

1378
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:47,700
whole with the UFO community if there's

1379
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:49,410
one group doing something that's getting

1380
00:58:52,790 --> 00:58:51,330
more visibility than what we're doing

1381
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:52,800
that's just pride that gets in the way

1382
00:58:58,100 --> 00:58:56,400
and that hurts research yep competition

1383
00:59:00,830 --> 00:58:58,110
that's why there's a Dunkin Donuts

1384
00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:00,840
across from Starbucks like we need to

1385
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:02,280
get this cake in the

1386
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:04,110
every now and again and Jason I do it to

1387
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,330
add like above my desk right now I'm not

1388
00:59:10,430 --> 00:59:08,880
kidding you I literally have we need all

1389
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:10,440
the things all the time

1390
00:59:13,850 --> 00:59:12,330
oh that's amazing scale said you love

1391
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:13,860
that right yeah I think that's the

1392
00:59:19,010 --> 00:59:15,450
mantra of this decade

1393
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:19,020
yes all right well let's move into the

1394
00:59:27,380 --> 00:59:24,570
last thing on our list so finally uh we

1395
00:59:29,860 --> 00:59:27,390
can't talk about the top ten UFO related

1396
00:59:35,810 --> 00:59:29,870
stories of the decade without mentioning

1397
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,820
storm area 51 storm area 51 started as a

1398
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:37,980
joke by college student Mattie Roberts

1399
00:59:44,540 --> 00:59:41,610
he created a Facebook event on June 27th

1400
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:44,550
2019 titled storm area 51

1401
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:47,610
they can't stop all of us Roberts later

1402
00:59:52,010 --> 00:59:49,410
acknowledged that he created the event

1403
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:52,020
as a joke after watching area 51

1404
00:59:55,940 --> 00:59:54,450
whistleblower bob lazar and filmmaker

1405
00:59:59,360 --> 00:59:55,950
jeremy Korbel on the Joe Rogan

1406
01:00:01,820 --> 00:59:59,370
experience but still millions of people

1407
01:00:04,670 --> 01:00:01,830
said they were going to this event the

1408
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:04,680
media went crazy with this story the

1409
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:06,450
military and local authorities got

1410
01:00:10,700 --> 01:00:08,970
freaked out and local residents were

1411
01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:10,710
pretty darn unhappy with the thought of

1412
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:12,390
millions of people descending on their

1413
01:00:17,210 --> 01:00:14,880
properties in rural Nevada the event

1414
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,220
quickly morphed into a festival which

1415
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:19,440
then morphed into multiple festivals

1416
01:00:25,010 --> 01:00:23,040
then just a week before the event

1417
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:25,020
Maddy Roberts pulled out of the events

1418
01:00:29,870 --> 01:00:27,000
that he'd been planning with the little

1419
01:00:32,330 --> 01:00:29,880
alien in Rachel Nevada and did a

1420
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:32,340
different event so yeah I just slop

1421
01:00:37,310 --> 01:00:34,170
together something in downtown Las Vegas

1422
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:37,320
instead but although the few thousand

1423
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:39,330
people who turned out for this event had

1424
01:00:45,170 --> 01:00:42,930
fun at really what was a silly weekend

1425
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:45,180
the whole debacle was publicly

1426
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:47,490
considered a flop and many of the

1427
01:00:50,300 --> 01:00:50,010
resulting headlines didn't sugarcoat it

1428
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:50,310
either

1429
01:00:55,490 --> 01:00:53,520
maybe were headlines like storm area 51

1430
01:00:58,850 --> 01:00:55,500
brings fewer alien enthusiasts than

1431
01:01:01,510 --> 01:00:58,860
authorities expected area 51 storming to

1432
01:01:04,610 --> 01:01:01,520
see aliens fails to materialize and

1433
01:01:06,980 --> 01:01:04,620
storm area 51 base camp ends early due

1434
01:01:08,750 --> 01:01:06,990
to low attendance just a few of the

1435
01:01:11,750 --> 01:01:08,760
headlines that painted the unfortunate

1436
01:01:14,150 --> 01:01:11,760
picture the pop-culture effect of this

1437
01:01:15,900 --> 01:01:14,160
thing is still being seen we recently

1438
01:01:17,700 --> 01:01:15,910
learned that

1439
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:17,710
now I'm citing my sources here guys

1440
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:19,930
because I'm responsible but we recently

1441
01:01:26,220 --> 01:01:22,170
learned that porn hubs

1442
01:01:29,370 --> 01:01:26,230
20:19 year-in-review revealed that alien

1443
01:01:32,059 --> 01:01:29,380
was the second most popular search term

1444
01:01:35,460 --> 01:01:32,069
on the porn website for the year good

1445
01:01:38,940 --> 01:01:35,470
porn hub also revealed that cert

1446
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:38,950
searches for the term area 51 surged

1447
01:01:43,769 --> 01:01:41,200
from zero to a hundred and sixty

1448
01:01:46,380 --> 01:01:43,779
thousand just a few days after the

1449
01:01:48,859 --> 01:01:46,390
Facebook event went viral and if you're

1450
01:01:51,509 --> 01:01:48,869
not aroused by stats from a porn site

1451
01:01:53,849 --> 01:01:51,519
maybe Google will do it for you

1452
01:01:59,460 --> 01:01:53,859
according to Google's year in search

1453
01:02:01,859 --> 01:01:59,470
2019 data area 51 raid was the year's

1454
01:02:06,900 --> 01:02:01,869
fourth biggest trending news story and

1455
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:06,910
that's not all what is area 51 was the

1456
01:02:14,279 --> 01:02:09,730
top what is question of the year on

1457
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:14,289
Google and where is our area 51 was the

1458
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:17,680
third most popular where is question of

1459
01:02:23,579 --> 01:02:21,039
the year on Google that's insane

1460
01:02:26,249 --> 01:02:23,589
just showing the impact this silly

1461
01:02:27,710 --> 01:02:26,259
little event had on the general public

1462
01:02:30,359 --> 01:02:27,720
and on pop culture

1463
01:02:32,009 --> 01:02:30,369
it's unfortunate yeah it really is

1464
01:02:35,579 --> 01:02:32,019
Maureen I was gonna say the same thing I

1465
01:02:38,940 --> 01:02:35,589
mean cool fun like I love sharing the

1466
01:02:42,779 --> 01:02:38,950
memes and everything but like imagine if

1467
01:02:45,089 --> 01:02:42,789
something spread this this much that

1468
01:02:45,359 --> 01:02:45,099
like benefited anyone anyone in the

1469
01:02:48,839 --> 01:02:45,369
world

1470
01:02:51,420 --> 01:02:48,849
it's like sick and ailing people or poor

1471
01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:51,430
people or the the environment like just

1472
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:52,990
imagine what kind of impact that could

1473
01:02:59,490 --> 01:02:56,079
have instead it was a stupid meme about

1474
01:03:02,190 --> 01:02:59,500
area 50 it hurts me but I guess this is

1475
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:02,200
a very good segue to drop the point that

1476
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:04,450
we met we didn't say top 10 most

1477
01:03:09,870 --> 01:03:06,640
credible UFO sightings of the last

1478
01:03:13,859 --> 01:03:09,880
decade these are more stories generated

1479
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:13,869
buzz yeah note because we're gonna get

1480
01:03:19,589 --> 01:03:16,210
people saying what how are you listing

1481
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:19,599
this top 10 listing yes plus I had to

1482
01:03:23,249 --> 01:03:20,799
throw that one in there because it gave

1483
01:03:25,109 --> 01:03:23,259
me an excuse to site pornhub that's true

1484
01:03:27,130 --> 01:03:25,119
when else could we ever do that on I'm

1485
01:03:29,350 --> 01:03:27,140
sure we'll do it again sometime

1486
01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:29,360
it is a first for this show citing

1487
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:32,150
exciting foreign-born stats so again

1488
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:34,010
it's pretty challenging to put together

1489
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,530
the list for a show like this because

1490
01:03:41,260 --> 01:03:38,720
there are so many UFO related stories

1491
01:03:44,380 --> 01:03:41,270
making headlines every year trimming it

1492
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:44,390
down to the best stories is tough so a

1493
01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:46,370
few of the other stories we considered

1494
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:50,000
adding were the Baltic Sea UFO if you

1495
01:03:53,740 --> 01:03:51,770
remember that one that generated a lot

1496
01:03:55,780 --> 01:03:53,750
of headlines primarily because this

1497
01:03:57,670 --> 01:03:55,790
random thing that these treasure hunters

1498
01:03:58,870 --> 01:03:57,680
found at the bottom of the ocean looked

1499
01:04:01,990 --> 01:03:58,880
like the Millennium Falcon

1500
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:02,000
so that generated its own headlines

1501
01:04:06,220 --> 01:04:03,890
right there because of the Star Wars - I

1502
01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:06,230
am they were all there was also a great

1503
01:04:12,190 --> 01:04:09,140
case with UFO hundreds of UFOs along

1504
01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:12,200
India's border in 2012 and that was an

1505
01:04:17,530 --> 01:04:14,510
ongoing case that you know there were

1506
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:17,540
multiple updates as the case was being

1507
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:19,970
investigated by the government and that

1508
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:22,010
went unsolved it was a fascinating case

1509
01:04:25,870 --> 01:04:23,570
to follow and one of my favorites

1510
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:25,880
certainly the decade then there were the

1511
01:04:30,700 --> 01:04:28,640
mo D UFO FILES the mo D claims they

1512
01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:30,710
released all of their UFO files and that

1513
01:04:34,420 --> 01:04:31,910
was something to follow throughout

1514
01:04:37,570 --> 01:04:34,430
multiple years as they gradually

1515
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:37,580
released batches of incredible UFO files

1516
01:04:43,510 --> 01:04:40,490
from there their UFO desk when they were

1517
01:04:44,860 --> 01:04:43,520
collecting and investigating UFOs so

1518
01:04:46,930 --> 01:04:44,870
that was fascinating

1519
01:04:48,790 --> 01:04:46,940
then there was Annie Jacobson that was

1520
01:04:51,250 --> 01:04:48,800
one that generated a lot of headlines -

1521
01:04:55,090 --> 01:04:51,260
with her book that came out about area

1522
01:04:57,820 --> 01:04:55,100
51 and the infamous chapter about

1523
01:05:00,040 --> 01:04:57,830
Roswell where she claimed that the

1524
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:00,050
Roswell bodies that were recovered

1525
01:05:05,530 --> 01:05:02,450
allegedly recovered in Roswell were

1526
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:05,540
those of mutilated children done by

1527
01:05:10,450 --> 01:05:06,410
Josef Mengele

1528
01:05:13,780 --> 01:05:10,460
so that generated quite a stir created

1529
01:05:15,450 --> 01:05:13,790
headlines and got a lot of negative

1530
01:05:18,570 --> 01:05:15,460
response from the UFO community

1531
01:05:21,940 --> 01:05:18,580
especially by one Stan Friedman who

1532
01:05:24,850 --> 01:05:21,950
penned a nice rebuttal to her basically

1533
01:05:26,890 --> 01:05:24,860
calling her crazy but yeah I guess I

1534
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:26,900
should mention to you like the passing

1535
01:05:32,620 --> 01:05:28,880
of Stanton Friedman being a big one this

1536
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:32,630
decade yes yeah fortune yeah yeah and

1537
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:36,410
and maybe maybe that's something that in

1538
01:05:41,190 --> 01:05:38,810
future years I might do four four year

1539
01:05:44,460 --> 01:05:41,200
reviews talking about things that

1540
01:05:47,430 --> 01:05:44,470
we're big news for the UFO community you

1541
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:47,440
know certain losses in the community and

1542
01:05:51,030 --> 01:05:49,119
we've certainly seen a lot of those

1543
01:05:53,910 --> 01:05:51,040
we're seeing them more more and more as

1544
01:05:56,579 --> 01:05:53,920
time passes because a lot of you know

1545
01:05:58,980 --> 01:05:56,589
the old researchers from the beginning

1546
01:06:02,670 --> 01:05:58,990
of the modern UFO era are nearing their

1547
01:06:04,349 --> 01:06:02,680
end so gonna happen thanks again for

1548
01:06:06,420 --> 01:06:04,359
hanging out with us today I'm Jason

1549
01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:06,430
McClellan I'm Maureen Elsberry i'm ryan

1550
01:06:10,140 --> 01:06:08,140
spring and i'm shane herd

1551
01:06:11,609 --> 01:06:10,150
do us a favor friends always treat the

1552
01:06:13,460 --> 01:06:11,619
UFO subject with the cautious and

1553
01:06:16,109 --> 01:06:13,470
responsible skepticism it deserves

1554
01:06:19,170 --> 01:06:16,119
question everything had the courage to

1555
01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:19,180
form your own opinions keep truth as the

1556
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:21,130
focus of your quest even if the truth

1557
01:06:28,790 --> 01:06:23,290
conflicts with your opinions and of

1558
01:07:18,710 --> 01:07:17,070
[Music]

1559
01:07:24,620 --> 01:07:18,720
[Applause]